“When you need something, you’re pushing that rock up a hill”

“When you begin to need something you’re pushing that rock up a hill. And along that journey, along your climb up this rock face, you’ll meet people who really, really care and really help you.

So I think it’s all of the time up that rock face. If on that rock face you meet really good people, which are out there, and they help you. But if you don’t you’re sliding back down again constantly.”